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    Stuart McCall saves a fan's penalty at yesterday's open day, where he and joint-chairman Mark Lawn spent five hours to help boost season-ticket sales
    Stuart McCall saves a fan's penalty at yesterday's open day, where he and joint-chairman Mark Lawn spent five hours to help boost season-ticket sales

    It's D-Day for City as they wait to discover if the 9,000 season ticket sales target has been reached.

    The club promised to deliver a free season ticket for every adult one purchased if supporters seized the bold initiative and met that figure by last night's deadline.

    They had a massive push at Valley Parade yesterday as that cut-off point loomed large, with boss Stuart McCall and joint-chairman Mark Lawn both banging the drum.

    The duo's appearance at their open day, where they faced penalties and chatted with fans, gave the bid a big jolt.

    A whopping 700 season tickets were sold yesterday alone as thousands flocked to the ground.

    Lawn admitted: "The fans really enjoyed it and it was a big success.

    "We had almost 4,000 people down here at the ground, taking penalties against me and Stuart McCall and going on the tours around Valley Parade that we provided.

    "There's been a great atmosphere and I ask fans where else would you see anything like it anywhere else in league football - the manager and chairman of a club partaking like this?"

    Lawn and co-chairman Julian Rhodes will meet today and assess the final total.

    The club has definitely passed the 7,000 mark and they will announce later whether the main objective has been achieved.

    It is all part of the club's exciting bid to try and attract 18,000 fans to Valley Parade for League Two football next season.

    On the back of last season's cut-price season tickets, City are hoping to fill their ground in an attempt to swell the gate and get Valley Parade rocking to help fire their bid for promotion.

    Head of operations David Baldwin hailed it a "fantastic" day and thanked all those who had supported it while apologising for the club shop not being open.

    He said: "That was totally beyond the club's control as the decision was taken by Surridge Sport who have the franchise to operate."

    Meanwhile, midfielder Eddie Johnson, who was released by City at the end of the season, has been attracting interest from Chester.

    7:24am Monday 16th June 2008

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    Posted by: Woodface, Perth, Australia on 7:42am Mon 16 Jun 08
    I thought this was a brilliant idea.. would of loved to be there.. fingers crossed on the season ticket grand total..
    Posted by: Woodface, Perth, Australia on 7:44am Mon 16 Jun 08
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    Posted by: Woodface, Perth, Australia on 7:45am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Woodface wrote:
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    ermmm? dunno what happened here? my pc is giving me the **** today :(
    Posted by: JM, Skipton on 7:55am Mon 16 Jun 08
    if only 700 tickets were sold yesterday that means the club fell short of 9,000 target.
    still I think it's been a great achievement to get 10,000 season ticket holders for next season (including the kids) and, with people paying on the door for games and those tiny away followings, there should still be decent attendences at VP next season. should we do well and be near the top, people paying on the door will further increase.

    I hope that the club do not decide to issue the free season tickets if we are short of target, where is the fairness in that? if people were waiting for a free season ticket and didn't bother they should now have to deal with the consequences, not be rewarded. we will still have decent crowds and if they are that bothered, and city are doing well, it will be a lesson for them to take on board. tickets were only £150, there is only so much the club can do to attract fans, they had a brilliant offer and while it looks like it's narrowly failed it's objective I still think we've done well to have 10,000 season ticket holders.
    Posted by: Mr Sensible, Bingley on 8:41am Mon 16 Jun 08
    If it takes them this long to tell the Fans the number of eason tickets sold, how long is it going to take to sign a new player. Do not worry you will ALL get another ticket free, eventually.
    Posted by: justinbrett1975, Shipley on 9:01am Mon 16 Jun 08
    well we can assume that 9000 were not sold. Maybe instead of backing down and giving a free season ticket anyway, they should give all those who have got a season ticket 10 ticket voucher's to be exchanged for any game instead.. That way people will still be able to take friends and family to games.
    Posted by: Luke, Leeds on 9:15am Mon 16 Jun 08
    700 season tickets not all of which would of been adult. Therefore I am guessing that only around 8000 adult season ticket holders will be there. I think the idea of giving away a few free tickets to games is a good one. Maybe 7/8 as that is how many games you need to attend to make your ticket value for money.
    Posted by: boparob, Bradford on 9:17am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Personally don't care if they don't make the 9,000, in fact part of me hopes they didn't so those too tight to part with £150 for a ticket miss out on fantastic football next season. I got mine and my lads free ticket when the offer was already too good to miss, nevermind 2-4-1

    Cheers City , Mr Rhodes and Mr Lawn Good luck for next season, your loyal fans will be shouting you on every game. CTID
    Posted by: DickieBCFC, Oxenhope on 9:29am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Have all ST sales been included? Are they holding back online, corporate and postage sales to make the figures look lower and get people there at the last minute?

    Don't be surprised if we've hit 9,000
    Posted by: scargutt, Horsforth on 9:48am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Sounded like a good day. I also agree that we shouldn't back down and reward those who were too tight to fork out for the cheapest football in the league. Our attendances will still be good and as everyone quite rightly says, if we are pushing for promotion, the floaters will start coming and will have to pay full whack!

    Perhaps a £10 discount off a shirt for those who have bought already would be a nice gesture?
    Posted by: Waynus, Bradford 6 on 9:59am Mon 16 Jun 08
    I agree with the majority of the above posts. City gave us an excellent opportunity of getting a cheap ticket for next season and, although in hindsight shouldn't have announced details of the BOGOF, we should still have sold at last as many adult tickets as last season.

    As the above pointed out, if people were too tight to part with £150 (£6.50 a game), they deserve to have to pay £20 a match (or £13 with a revised price season ticket).

    I still hope we managed to sell the 9,000 tickets, but if we didn't, then nobody should get a free ticket of any kind. Personally, I bought mine before they announced details of the BOGOF so it would have made no difference to me anyway.

    Anyone else notice that Sensible has changed the tune? He has been banging on about the season ticket offer and because it got close, he has now changed tact and started attacking the club about the length of time to make signings. If it wasn't pathetic, it might be funny!
    Posted by: Chris, Bradford on 10:22am Mon 16 Jun 08
    I hope they dont reach it. What will they achieve financially, nothing. The club will be better having people pay £20 on the door and when we are been successful they will pay it.

    Took the kids down yesterday they loved it, VP was open and it was a free for all, didnt go on the ground tours but could go anywhere anyhow. Great idea City.
    Posted by: Luke, Leeds on 10:41am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Anyone get into any interesting conversations with Mccall or Lawn at all?
    Posted by: Waynus, Bradford 6 on 10:43am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Chris wrote:
    I hope they dont reach it. What will they achieve financially, nothing. The club will be better having people pay £20 on the door and when we are been successful they will pay it. Took the kids down yesterday they loved it, VP was open and it was a free for all, didnt go on the ground tours but could go anywhere anyhow. Great idea City.
    Fair comment Chris, but I have to disagree with you. In your post, you aks, "what is there to gain". The answer is simple. More revenue.

    The season before last, we sold only 5,500 tickets (approx) at full price but made a loss. Last season, we sold 9,000 tickets at half price, but still made more money than at any time during the last 7 years. Why? Because with more fans at the games, we could re-negotiate our franchise deals with the catering/beverages areas. We also get a percentage of every item of clothing sold in the shop. More fans attending = more people buying merchandise = more money for the club.

    I appreciate we may get a few more thousand paying full whack on the gate, but if those same people were too tight to buy a £150 ticket, do you really expect them to pay £20? I can't see more than 1,500 paying on the gate and they probably won't buy merchandise, food or drink. As they are paying £20 per ticket, they will probably bring sandwiches and a flask.

    I do hope you are right, but I just can't see it.
    Posted by: Waynus, Bradford 6 on 10:44am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Chris wrote:
    I hope they dont reach it. What will they achieve financially, nothing. The club will be better having people pay £20 on the door and when we are been successful they will pay it. Took the kids down yesterday they loved it, VP was open and it was a free for all, didnt go on the ground tours but could go anywhere anyhow. Great idea City.
    Fair comment Chris, but I have to disagree with you. In your post, you ask, "What is there to gain". The answer is simple. More revenue.

    The season before last, we sold only 5,500 tickets (approx) at full price but made a loss. Last season, we sold 9,000 tickets at half price, but still made more money than at any time during the last 7 years. Why? Because with more fans at the games, we could re-negotiate our franchise deals with the catering/beverages areas. We also get a percentage of every item of clothing sold in the shop. More fans attending = more people buying merchandise = more money for the club.

    I appreciate we may get a few more thousand paying full whack on the gate, but if those same people were too tight to buy a £150 ticket, do you really expect them to pay £20? I can't see more than 1,500 paying on the gate and they probably won't buy merchandise, food or drink. As they are paying £20 per ticket, they will probably bring sandwiches and a flask.

    I do hope you are right, but I just can't see it.
    Posted by: JoSePh, clayton on 11:33am Mon 16 Jun 08
    just rang the ticket office and the guy told me thatthey didn't sell the 9,000 but could the fact that they aint telling us this a they are going to give them any way
    Posted by: Chris, Bradford on 11:43am Mon 16 Jun 08
    Fair point Waynus. I would rather there be 10,000 genuine fans (including kids) and 1,500 pay £20 on the gate then 18,000 whinging gits.
    Posted by: mheywood, Bradford on 11:47am Mon 16 Jun 08
    If they dont sell the 9,000 season tickets to get one free, it would be nice of the club to reward the ones like me who renewed their season ticket in December with a free one. Cant wait for the Morecambe game away on Easter Saturday. I will be going for a long weekend, like I did last season. Would be nice if we heard some good news on the transfer front. Anyway heres hoping we get out of League 2. CITY TILL I DIE
    Posted by: shelley27, Bradford6 on 11:58am Mon 16 Jun 08
    There's an announcement on the city website stating they will confirm figures in the next few days as they have a large amount of postal apps and need to add on corporate figures - Couldn't this have been done before???
    Posted by: broccoli09, Denholme on 12:07pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    Yeah, i've just seen this announcement on the BradfordCityFC website. Still to add on corporate, internet and postal applications. Given that we achieved 700 sales from the open day yesterday, (If this is all adults) then that would take us upto just under 8200 adults. As i am now suspecting, i would think corporate, internet and postal applications will take us to the target of 9000, perhaps even a shade over that. As i have said before on here, i do think that the BOGOF will be activated even if we are just shy of our target. I don't expect 20,000 crowds next year, but i would anticapte anything between 15,000-16,000 for home games, which is superb. Great idea yesterday with the open day and if we have achieved the 9000 adults then its a true testiment to how brilliant ML, JR and SM are turning the club around. 9000 x 150 = 1.35 million pounds in ticket sales alone. For a div 2 club, that is exceptional. Is it August yet?
    Posted by: HospitalityBob, Oakenshaw on 12:12pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    shelley27 wrote:
    There's an announcement on the city website stating they will confirm figures in the next few days as they have a large amount of postal apps and need to add on corporate figures - Couldn't this have been done before???
    Wat's the rush, the season doesn't begin until August.
    Posted by: shelley27, Bradford6 on 12:22pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    No rush, I bought mine in december before the offer came out. Just feel after all the effort to encourage sales people are interested to know if we have achieved the target.
    Posted by: Waynus, Bradford 6 on 12:24pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    broccoli09 wrote:
    Yeah, i've just seen this announcement on the BradfordCityFC website. Still to add on corporate, internet and postal applications. Given that we achieved 700 sales from the open day yesterday, (If this is all adults) then that would take us upto just under 8200 adults. As i am now suspecting, i would think corporate, internet and postal applications will take us to the target of 9000, perhaps even a shade over that. As i have said before on here, i do think that the BOGOF will be activated even if we are just shy of our target. I don't expect 20,000 crowds next year, but i would anticapte anything between 15,000-16,000 for home games, which is superb. Great idea yesterday with the open day and if we have achieved the 9000 adults then its a true testiment to how brilliant ML, JR and SM are turning the club around. 9000 x 150 = 1.35 million pounds in ticket sales alone. For a div 2 club, that is exceptional. Is it August yet?
    Don't most clubs get that (or more) in ticket sales? Take away the smaller teams and the bulk will sell just under 5,000 season tickets in this league. They don't have the benefit of cheap tickets, so will be paying anything from £300 upwards. That will raise £1.5m in itself. Remember that for every two we sell, the other clubs only have to sell one to match us at our current prices.

    I still don't think we will reach the target. Saturday Evening's figures showed we were shy by over 1,500 tickets and only sold 700 yesterday (of which a 3rd were probably not adult tickets). We probably still need to have a further 1,000 from on-line applications, corporate & postal etc. I think we will be a little short.

    I sincerely hope that we don't give the free tickets out if we haven't met the target. Why should some 'supposedly' City fan get one free instead of getting down there and buying their own.

    However, as someone above stated, those that bought tickets at Christmas before the offer was announced, could still get a free ticket. Or what about each 'adult' that bought a ticket having to provide their friend's name and address for the free ticket. If their details show they bought a ticket last season, they will not be given the free one. If it is a 'new member', the club can still send them a free ticket.

    In summary, I don't want anyone that bought a ticket last season to be given a free one this time around. If the product was not good enough to pay for, it is not good enough to get free either!
    Posted by: Paulh, Wrose on 12:27pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    This is tricky one. The board made a great offer but maybe did not take into account
    that some people can not see a great deal when its put in front of them. If when all is taken into account its a very close run thing I think the offer should go ahead but if not the 10/12
    vouchers per adult ticket is a good idea. After all we do want as many people as possible down at VP. If we have a good season we could get some terrific attendances.
    Posted by: Paulh, Wrose on 12:28pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    This is tricky one. The board made a great offer but maybe did not take into account
    that some people can not see a great deal when its put in front of them. If when all is taken into account its a very close run thing I think the offer should go ahead but if not the 10/12
    vouchers per adult ticket is a good idea. After all we do want as many people as possible down at VP. If we have a good season we could get some terrific attendances.
    Posted by: Paulh, Wrose on 12:28pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    This is tricky one. The board made a great offer but maybe did not take into account
    that some people can not see a great deal when its put in front of them. If when all is taken into account its a very close run thing I think the offer should go ahead but if not the 10/12
    vouchers per adult ticket is a good idea. After all we do want as many people as possible down at VP. If we have a good season we could get some terrific attendances.
    Posted by: Luke, Leeds on 12:29pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    mheywood wrote:
    If they dont sell the 9,000 season tickets to get one free, it would be nice of the club to reward the ones like me who renewed their season ticket in December with a free one. Cant wait for the Morecambe game away on Easter Saturday. I will be going for a long weekend, like I did last season. Would be nice if we heard some good news on the transfer front. Anyway heres hoping we get out of League 2. CITY TILL I DIE
    I don't think that's fair mine was renewed in December too but we knew this is because it would be the cheapest we were going to get it with the possibility of the prices increasing. It does not make us more loyal some fans simply could not afford to spend that money around the christmas period. And if you do consider yourself more loyal because of it then your loyalty was rewarded by the fact it was 14 pound cheaper.
    Posted by: Waynus, Bradford 6 on 1:04pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    Mr Sensible wrote:

    By the way I have never received a phone call to see why I have not renewed the tickets - Wonder why.


    Isn't that because last season the club 'gave' you the tickets. As me mam used to say, liars have to have good memories.

    You have been posting on here since the end of last season telling every man & his dog that you didn't pay for your tickets you got yours free.

    Why then, would the club phone you to ask why you haven't renewed?? Surely, they would ask you if you wanted more freebies this season.
    Posted by: Mr Sensible, Bingley on 1:11pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    Must congratulate the City Management on their excellent sales ploy with the BOGOF offer. It achieved its aim and really took the fans for a ride. There has been more talk and excitement about the offer than there will be all next season with performances on the field. Now just wait for the Big name signings and a table topping position, sorry I should have begun Once Upon a Time.
    Posted by: gman, bradford on 1:21pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    Mr Sensible wrote:
    Must congratulate the City Management on their excellent sales ploy with the BOGOF offer. It achieved its aim and really took the fans for a ride. There has been more talk and excitement about the offer than there will be all next season with performances on the field. Now just wait for the Big name signings and a table topping position, sorry I should have begun Once Upon a Time.
    what i wouldn't give to knock you out!!!

    i have my season ticket and fingers crossed i am hoping they dont get the 9000.....a) cos the ground will just be full of wniging gits and woun't help the team anyway , more likely to bring panic around the ground....b) if we did have 18,000 in the ground we will still lose out cos city dont take money fromt he catering on a match day..something fat richmond decided would be a good idea before he left city int he learch.

    I personally feel like the club has a feel good factor about it again...even if we dont get promoted i'll still be there every game for years to come unlike some of the whiners on here.
    Posted by: scargutt, Horsforth on 1:51pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    I've bene wondering about the percentage of adult season tickets compared to overall total. huddersfield have just under 10k adults, and nearly 7k others - including seniors and kids.

    That makes sense really as yuo'd expect a lot of people ot take up a cheap day out for the kids offer. Why then do we have say 8,000 adults and only 2,000 others? Can't remember if we had a seniors offer (not being one, I didn't look out for it). But i'd have expected with under 11s going free that every 7-11 year old in Bradford woudl be begging their parents to take them.

    Still, either way, i'll be there as often as poss again and will be enjoying it, unlike some!
    Posted by: kid, yorkshire on 1:59pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    My view is that real fans will have bought their tickets to support the club andthose hoping for free tickets are not proper City fans and would go watch any local club giving out freebies .
    Why should the loyal supporters subsidise freeloaders who couldn't give a **** about City.
    Posted by: audal, lovell on 2:32pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    i bought my season ticket last december without any thought as to what others may or may not decide and not having any idea of what to do if i received an extra pass i shall decline because anyone using said ticket with abuse i.e. causing trouble could/would/should be traced back to me and i must be held responsable surely. i already know of four leeds lads wanting to "borrow" tickets for certain matches so think about it.
    Posted by: goalkeeper, bradford on 2:33pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    gman wrote:
    Mr Sensible wrote: Must congratulate the City Management on their excellent sales ploy with the BOGOF offer. It achieved its aim and really took the fans for a ride. There has been more talk and excitement about the offer than there will be all next season with performances on the field. Now just wait for the Big name signings and a table topping position, sorry I should have begun Once Upon a Time.
    what i wouldn't give to knock you out!!! i have my season ticket and fingers crossed i am hoping they dont get the 9000.....a) cos the ground will just be full of wniging gits and woun't help the team anyway , more likely to bring panic around the ground....b) if we did have 18,000 in the ground we will still lose out cos city dont take money fromt he catering on a match day..something fat richmond decided would be a good idea before he left city int he learch. I personally feel like the club has a feel good factor about it again...even if we dont get promoted i'll still be there every game for years to come unlike some of the whiners on here.
    Don't feed the troll - or he he won't go away!
    Posted by: JoSePh, ermm on 2:45pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    they aint really thought this through as they should remember that if there is 18,000 season tickets floating about then people wont pay in then that will take more money away from city if you think about it we wil make 1.5 milion off tiket sales where as at like brentford they will sell season tickets at around £250 and sell around 5000 which then gives them 1.25 million and then weekley tikets on top about 1500 at £20.00 but at bradford we wont have that amount of mney as we are selling them cheap and then giving them away this absolutley stupid from a business perspective if we keep doin this and upping the wage budget we wil go into that dredded A word ADMINITRAION so remember yes it is good giving fans freebies but next time make it shirt and who knows we may have sold more tickets than 9,000 andthen still had people paying in
    Posted by: Waynus, Bradford 6 on 2:53pm Mon 16 Jun 08
    gman wrote:
    Mr Sensible wrote: Must congratulate the City Management on their excellent sales ploy with the BOGOF offer. It achieved its aim and really took the fans for a ride. There has been more talk and excitement about the offer than there will be all next season with performances on the field. Now just wait for the Big name signings and a table topping position, sorry I should have begun Once Upon a Time.
    what i wouldn't give to knock you out!!! i have my season ticket and fingers crossed i am hoping they dont get the 9000.....a) cos the ground will just be full of wniging gits and woun't help the team anyway , more likely to bring panic around the ground....b) if we did have 18,000 in the ground we will still lose out cos city dont take money fromt he catering on a match day..something fat richmond decided would be a good idea before he left city int he learch. I personally feel like the club has a feel good factor about it again...even if we dont get promoted i'll still be there every game for years to come unlike some of the whiners on here.
    I understand how you feel with regard to Sensible. I think most on here appreciate how frustrating he is. The best way to get rid of him is to ignore him. We have tried everything else. Now is the time to act.... by not acting (just ignore him).

    With regard to 'fat' Richmond, aren't I right in thinking the "franchise" was set up by Rhodes & Gibb in an effort to get us out of the doo doo? I acknowledge it was Richmond that got us into the doo doo, but not his decision to sell to the franchises.

    I know for a fact that the "deals" with the catering/beverages franchise has yet to be agreed. City were waiting for final season ticket figures to be confirmed before they renegotiate.

    This makes sense really. If we expect crowds of 9,000 then we won't expect a big piece of the pie. However, if there are 16,000+ turning up at the ground, we should expect more revenue from increased sales.

    If I hear more about the revised deal, I will let you know.

    Finally, I agree with you about the extra pressure created by the whingers. I am just glad that Sensible won't be going next season and taking his moaning mates with him.

    What I don't understand about him is why he thinks we have all been " taken for a ride." Loyal fans would have bought irrespective of the BOGOF, so why is this a marketing ploy? Why have we been ripped off? We have just renewed our tickets at a cost of just £12 more than last year (and nobody complained then), yet he claims we have been suckered in. Even if we don't get the freebies, it is still one of the cheapest deals in professional sport. One that our own neighbours have copied.

    The guy is mental and should just be ignored.
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